someinterviewswithsomevampires:

‘I tend to think of Karen as being quite lonely. Coming out of The Defenders, Matt’s potentially dead and Foggy has this new job and girlfriend and is living his life. Then coming out of The Punisher, Frank basically says to me, “You can’t be part of my life, and I can’t be part of your life,” and I have to watch him just leave and go continue to be a fugitive.’ – Deborah Ann Woll.

I love this interpretation of the iconic elevator scene. These two are both raw jagged shuddering messes of anguish but for a moment, just for the tiniest moment, they step into a moment of clarity and–let each other go. 

In that scene, he’s asking her permission to return to the underworld, which she gives. 

It must be excruciating for Karen–to have a foot in both worlds but to be accepted by neither. She doesn’t belong to either hell or heaven. (But at least now Matt and Foggy have a better understanding of who she is, which releases the tension.) 

Frank, of course, instinctively knew who Karen was all along–he saw the pain in her, just like she saw the light in him. That’s why I love them. To be seen is a powerful emotion. In the elevator scene, they acknowledge and accept each other completely and utterly. The tragedy is this acknowledgement and acceptance comes with acknowledging and accepting they can’t be a part of each other’s lives. For now. 

I didn’t mean to write a little thing. I just really love DAW and her feelings about Karen.